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    11/11/09 at 12:04 PMReply with quote#1

I was told that 'Pedigree' food is trashy and not good for toy dogs. I don't know why though, does anyone know?

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    11/12/09 at 04:40 PMReply with quote#2

I feed Purina, Pro Plan. But some times I like to feed my baby something from the table.

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    11/15/09 at 02:36 AMReply with quote#3

I think I read somewhere that Pedigree food is made of some very low quality meat. And they add different chemicals which are not good for at least little dogs. But I am not sure that this is a correct answer John

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    11/23/09 at 12:36 AMReply with quote#4

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I feed Purina, Pro Plan. But some times I like to feed my baby something from the table.

Purina is not the best too. You can feed your Russian toy with this brand food but not for a long time.

If talking about dry food, our kennel recommends Royal Canin, Evo, Innova or Eukanuba. They all are great and have not any bad affect on your dog. In fact, if your dog had some problem with health caused by food you were feeding him/her, switching to these brands will help your dog to recover and to get back to normal.

Same brands canned food is also great, but there are some other brands which are excellent too.

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    11/27/09 at 03:55 AMReply with quote#5

I know you should not feed them sour cream and whole milk. Also butter. Well, any fat food should not give to Russian toys. I didn't know about it in the begining and thought he likes milk and sour cream very much. And only later I knew it from a veterinarian. I took my puppy to him with bad diarea. I thought he will die . But veterinarian told me to stop giving fat food, and my puppy got back to normal

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    12/03/09 at 06:08 PMReply with quote#6

My RT loves green pears, fresh and cooked carrots and greed beans.

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    12/13/09 at 03:46 PMReply with quote#7

I found Evo canned food in a store. Angel'sToy how much should I feed my dog everyday?

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    12/16/09 at 06:01 PMReply with quote#8

MiniChamp, what do you feed your dogs in Norway? Which brand is the most common there?

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    12/16/09 at 06:07 PMReply with quote#9

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I found Evo canned food in a store. Angel'sToy how much should I feed my dog everyday?

Sweetheart if your dog is over a year old I would recommend not more than one can a week. Supplement their normal dry food diet with the canned. Their teeth really need some dry food to stay clean. But they love the soft food, and variety in their diet.

 If under a year then it depends. How old is your dog?

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    12/27/09 at 07:43 PMReply with quote#10

On feeding, I have a page on my web site with how I feed my dogs & what foods I use. I have been feeding this way for many years. You can view it here:
http://www.diademchihuahuas.50megs.com/photo3_4.html  or if that does not work, go here http://www.diademchihuahuas.50megs.com and click on Foods & Feeding. Maybe this will help someone.

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    12/28/09 at 12:05 AMReply with quote#11



I would eat it myself
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    12/28/09 at 12:08 AMReply with quote#12

diademchis, do you feed them dry food at all? I mean do you give it to them without adding hot water and other stuff? Or do your dogs always eat mixed food only?

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    12/28/09 at 09:50 AMReply with quote#13

"diademchis, do you feed them dry food at all? I mean do you give it to them without adding hot water and other stuff? Or do your dogs always eat mixed food only?"

 
Hi,
 
Yes, you CAN eat it yourself! It's healthy human food!!  ; D
When I feed the dry food, I add hot water, but I do not let it soak to soften the food, so the food is actually hard. Some chew each piece, others just swallow.  What I learned many years ago is that if you feed just dry, hard food, the body draws water from its organs to get the food to break down before it can be digested. Feeding dry kibble is very hard on the kidneys because the body has to pull water out of the digestive tract to digest the food.
 
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    12/28/09 at 11:06 PMReply with quote#14

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 I do not let it soak to soften the food, so the food is actually hard.

Can you explain about that? What is the purpose in adding water to it if it still stays hard? My dog always has plenty of fresh water easy to reach. And every time he is thirsty he drinks. How does it matter if I add water into food or he drinks it himself?

Sorry, Liz, I am not trying to argue. I am only trying to understand your logic. You sound very confident in doing that, so I want to know why?
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    12/28/09 at 11:16 PMReply with quote#15

"Can you explain about that? What is the purpose in adding water to it if it still stays hard? My dog always has plenty of fresh water easy to reach. And every time he is thirsty he drinks. How does it matter if I add water into food or he drinks it himself?

"Sorry, Liz, I am not trying to argue. I am only trying to understand your logic. You sound very confident in doing that, so I want to know why?"


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Hi Sweetheart,
I understand, no problem about questioning!! I do not remember where the info came from years ago when I was studying this (sorry) but it is hard on the body to pull that moisture out before digestion can start. Many dogs do not drink right after eating, & often Toy dogs don't drink much anyway. I will see if I can find the info tomorrow about the kidneys & dry food. It would be the same as if you ate a box of dry crackers without drinking water. Does this help?

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    12/28/09 at 11:29 PMReply with quote#16


 Hi,
Here are a couple of things I found:  "... if your dog cannot get to water, or get enough water, then the dry food can cause the body to supply the moisture, which means a dry coat and a dry flaky skin, which could mean lots of scratching, chewing and self-mutilation."
 
and from here I quote the information:
"Thought this was news that everyone could benefit from that feeds a dry dog food. I was never aware of the benefits of adding water to kibble but I recently came across some information on another forum from a woman who is very well versed in canine nutrition.

"Apparently it is important to add some water to your dogs dry food. This is due to the fact that dry food has a very low moisture content, so its protein comes in a very concentrated form (which is very unnatural) and the kidneys need sufficient water to process it. Many people think that dogs know how much water they need to intake but it turns out this can be untrue. The higher the content of protien (like Innova Evo) the more important it is to add water to the food.

"By adding water to the kibble directly you prevent the dog from overconsuming water later when it is trying to compensate (which is unhealthy). It also prevents moisture from being drawn away from anywhere else in the body to the stomach to create the "soupy" consistency of the food necessary for further digestion in the small intestine.

"It is a good idea to add a cup to a cup and half per cup of kibble of room temperature water to your dogs dry food, don't let it soak though, just wet and serve.

"I found this to be excellent information that I was completely unaware of. The information was worded a bit differently from the original source so as to not be infringing on any copy right issues but it is info from the woman (Moranda) who created "The Dog Food Project", you can find the link to the website here." http://www.dogfoodproject.com/index.php?page=main  
 
 
Does this make sense?

Liz

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    12/29/09 at 02:53 AMReply with quote#17

That is interesting information. I will need to ask my veterinarian what he thinks about it.

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    12/29/09 at 12:23 PMReply with quote#18

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Does this make sense?


Maybe. But  sounds like it might be an "old wive's tale" to me. 
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    12/30/09 at 03:44 AMReply with quote#19

As far as adding water to kibble goes, we sometimes do that.  Always when introducing dry food into the diet, and when teeth are changing.

Bloating can be a problem with larger, deep chested breeds especially.  Adding water to kibble seems to be important to certain breeds to help avoid that, but we don't think it applies to RT's.  (And bloating seems to happen more often in those dogs when they eat too fast because of 'feeding times', by having the kibble always available, the dogs learn they don't have to scarf their food)

Liz you have put a great deal of time into your diet research and it looks like you do a great job. If I were a chihuahua I'd want you to be my owner!

We do things a little different in our kennel, and do change variety of food with every new bag of kibble, as well as seasonal changes.

We tend to keep our dogs in groups, with puppies and mommies separated from several groups of adults, depending on who's in heat, and who's in the clique of the month.

But in general we don't have 'feeding times'.  We use large feeders full of kibble next to large waterers available at all times. It stays fresh because the groups are large enough to eat it up and we refill regularly.  So they can always have dry food if they want.  Very very rarely have we had a dog with a weight problem.

We use puppy kibble up to about 1 year, and baby puppy kibble for feeding moms and pups up to about 3 months.  Over a year old and they get small breed adult kibble.

We use  a high quality soft food twice a day for the pups and occasionally for the adults.  We used to use a lot more canned food for the adults until we started noticing that their teeth stayed a lot cleaner with primarily a dry food diet. 

We also give them regular treats to chew on.  They love Tracheas and Chicken Jerky.   !!  But...  Too much Jerky can bump up some of their blood work values like Kidney and Liver Enzymes.  We talked it over with our vet when this happened, and backed off the Jerky to no more often than every 3 days.
Now we have perfect bloodwork.

We buy large packs of certain rawhide sticks. Liver flavor, Sweet Potato flavor. The adults usually get two of the small sticks per day.

Of course, absolutely no Pork products of any kind for our dogs.  Pork is very hard on their livers and kidneys.  This applies to all small breeds.


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    12/30/09 at 10:02 AMReply with quote#20

"But in general we don't have 'feeding times'. We use large feeders full of kibble next to large waterers available at all times.It stays fresh because the groups are large enough to eatit upand we refill regularly. So they can always have dry food if they want. Very very rarely have we had a dog with a weight problem."
 
This is good to know about RTs, Angelica. A Chihuahua would eat until it exploded if it had food down all the time, that is why you see so many FAT Chihuahuas ; D
I'm so glad you feel the same way I do about pork, many a Chi had gotten pancreatitis from it, it's very bad.
 
Regarding free-feeding (leaving food out all the time) one book states: 
 
“One of the important contributing factors to ill health for dogs and cats is food left in the bowl between feedings.  Digestion has one of the highest priorities in the body, and while it is taking place, the blood supply and the body’s energies are devoted to this task.  Animals in the wild may eat only once a day and then fast until the next meal.  This gives their bodies a chance to eliminate waste from their cells and organs, and to repair and heal tissues.  Studies show that it is the smell of food that triggers the body to prepare for digestion.  Enzymes are produced, saliva and digestive juices start flowing, blood flow is redirected to the stomach, and the body slows down to accommodate the expected nourishment.  If an animal constantly smells food from a food bowl, this digestive mechanism will tend to wear out.  It is thought that cats and dogs age faster because of the resultant undersupply of blood to the major organ systems.” [Remember Pavlov & his salivating dogs when they thought they were going to be fed!]

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    12/30/09 at 10:37 AMReply with quote#21

Our dogs and cats would be mad at us if we took away their free kibble!

We have one fat cat out of four and all our dogs are in great shape.

But what you say definitely applies to certain breeds.  And that's one of the things about dog breeding, it's easy enough to see how varied! the body size and shapes of the different breeds are. no?

Few other species have as much variety in the phenotype.

And this principle also applies to behavior, emotion, and intelligence.

I think you're going to find that RT's are almost uncanny in how smart they are.  Chi owners can probably pick up on a little of this.

And hey, humans also salivate at the smell of a delicious meal!  I know I do when my husband is working on one of his masterpieces in the kitchen. 

But still if you ask most dieticians what's best for us, they'll say smaller, more frequent meals.  Some people call it grazing.  Athletes definitely do it. 

When we go too long between meals we tend to get hungry and the emotional response to eating kicks in.  Just like in dogs.  We and they overdo it!  In some dog breeds it causes bloating, in humans its a cause of being overweight. 

We've been free feeding for years and our dogs know they can eat whenever they want to.  They never have to binge or gulp.  They only compete for treats. And we try to give enough that everyone can get at least one per day.

And RTs do well with this type of treatment.  Personally we think they are the most intelligent breed, others of course will object and think their breed is.  But either way, RTs are able to maintain their weight well, not too high, not too low with free feeding.

Part of it has to do with how high their natural metabolism is!!  They are so energetic.  Always running and playing. (Except during nap time. )  And they are hot little dogs!  So much body heat with such a small surface area!  Honestly I would be negligent not to have food available for them at all times. (Especially when the weather is cooler and they choose to play outside and even frolic in the snow.) 

Bottom line is they are quite capable of adjusting nutritional intake to caloric expenditure.  Not saying all breeds can do this.

And they stay healthy.  We regulary watch our kennel bloodwork.  We have a good vet.  He suggests a lot of chemistry panels.  And we accept about half of them.  And our dogs are just healthy.  They have good coats, good energy, and good personalities.



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    02/14/10 at 03:44 PMReply with quote#22

Yesterday my mom gave our dogs Chinese cabbage to taste and they loved it. I was surprised how much of it they ate! We just cut it in bigger pieces and they ate them as snacks. Try, may be your dogs will like it too.


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    02/14/10 at 04:21 PMReply with quote#23

My dogs love lettuce (except Iceberg), too! I just throw pieces of it on the floor & they gobble it up. When I eat a cucumber, after it is peeled, I peel more pieces on the floor & they all love that, too.
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    02/14/10 at 04:37 PMReply with quote#24

I tried to feed cucumbers to my dogs. They didn't show any interest . But it is all very personal. Each dog has its own habbits. I know my dogs used to love green pears before. Now they don't even look at them . Spoiled


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    02/18/10 at 08:15 AMReply with quote#25

I gave cabbage to my dog and he liked it . Thanks!

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